Friday, October 4, 2013

My son

He is my world. I love you kiddo - and this one's for you. You deserved better, sooner.
It is more clear than ever how lucky we were to leave that place. The one who knew I was critical of not letting us know about a moderate interaction with a different combo - but made sure to never mention in response where they oddly and immediately involved their lawyer.. They never mentioned that major interaction we were so clueless on. Until we got a copy of his tests and noticed something we were alarmed to see...
The medication interaction he was on and they increased...oh boy....

It must be good fortune when a parent complains about not being informed of a moderate drug interaction, and doesn't realize there was a major interaction that was so much worse.

Then all your discharge paperwork can focus on that, all responses can justify that...but acknowledge that "other one?" The one you increased? The one our new doctor caught day one but we came and left with your cocktail? No way. Let's attack mom's character. Let's make sure the ombudsman is compromised by spreading gossip to the AG.

We realized yesterday something new..and today we realized something absolutely devastating.

The danger was so much more .

All my advice, and I missed the worst thing of all.

His new doctor caught it right away and corrected it. We didn't know how bad it was but thank God he caught it.
To him we will always be so grateful. He not only changed everything - he may have saved my son.'a life. I am not a doctor, but I know now my kiddo was in danger.. And his worsening behavior is a known effect of this major interaction they increased. They increased! I almost vomited when the pieces fell into place.

At admission, the scary place didn't catch it... And as we waited to be admitted to the partial program they didn't catch it. Oh so simple... Send us to a pro..know your stuff. Get him off it! That was our new doctor's first thing to do. And everything got better-- but I didn't truly get the whole picture.

I am not a doctor, but now feel like I have to cross check every damn thing. Darn it.



In a note added who knows when, to a document we just got a copy of elsewhere, we found the worst story of our whole story. Almost a year later, we finally got it. and further paper trails make pretty darn clear we didn't .....but someone there did, and at some point there's a note that the mother,  (keep in mind the father was in attendance and wants to know why it's always me.. As I told him... I believe once I wrote the first complaint, I became the one to blame, smear and he became irrelevant) a note that the mother should be asked about behavior when this drug came into play. In their own discharge papers they say he was admitted for worsening behavior.

The mom that has complained to 3 agencies after the weird responses from them never brought up the most damning concern. My son had begun the journey after he had been prescribed a medication and it has a major interaction with his other med. Not the 3rd combo of moderate interaction. This is major.

We assessed and then sat and waited for their php and not a word.

Our new doctors first move was to get him off it. We left the bad place and from beginning to end he was not only on it, they increased it!

Near the end of our file it says we finally discussed a taper (but ignores putting in how damn threatening it was) and by the way, layman that I am.. That drug doesn't even need a taper because of a significant half life. And when it has a major interaction that could have hurt or killed him .. Let's just sit around and see how it goes... Wow. I am not a doctor so I can't pass medical judgment, but I am a parent and we  personally judge them as crappy care run by callous and horrible people. And I
Our opinion.
The trust they blew, makes me question it all.

The scariest most threatening drug interaction of all.. The one that was known to worsen behavior, potentially cause serotonin syndrome (a potentially fatal problem) we came and left with.

We waited for space to open while on it getting no other treatment than waiting...and they had the nerve to critique me for not increasing that interaction immediately when told because I knew it was based on false info. But I did not know my baby was in danger from his meds.

Admin... You live with this? No wonder..

Even from this blog, I have been babbling about over medicating, over treatment - but I never caught on to the most threatening issue of all. I was incredibly close... Uncomfortably close ?

But  mom finally got it. And my husband and I are devastated. Today, I was in sheer panic and have contacted agencies to start the process all over again. My file on this is unreal. And apparently never ends.

But this time we did something different and told our son.

We told him that there is a very real possibility all the hard times that led us to that nightmare before the new doctor saved him may not have been in his control to stop.

The autistic boy who was focused on a balloon and fixing the cable heard us.
And through the balloon bouncing we laid out a series of options, the challenges and more..
And we told him that we believe now it was all wrong. The unfocused boy with different ways  is kit a bad kiddo, and his immediate improvement reinforced that.

We wanted to take some of the pain he may  away...

So we asked him what he wanted to do. I do not think we are capable of putting them out of business as he suggested. But he did say "there is no amount of money that can make it right."

True enough kiddo. It's why we have taken a route to inform rather than litigate in the first place.

We are going forward with appropriate complaints, but still haven't retained an attorney.

No amount can fix what happened. And we can't make a chip in them anyway. They haven't shown an ounce of anything that shows they care to us.

But they knew. At what point I do not know. But through all the stonewalling and character attacks, they knew I was missing something much worse.

Kudos I guess. It took me a while. But I got it.

My son doesn't care about money, and as I talked to my husband today... We dreaded more of taking in Goliath. But this blog, our opinion and our story can do what our goal has always been- try to get the word out, so no family would live our experiences.

We didn't realize when we started the blog it was worse than we thought - but now we do.

And now you do as well.


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  3. Having some trouble on the iPhone.. But what these complete morally bankrupt pissants haven't put together.. We were raising most of out concerns before discharge. They told us he was throwing multiple fits a day--much worse than what his teachers said. We thought the gal we met with once a week was stupid as hell and were talking about pulling him.
    We finally got a tour when the brand new doc.. Who I would not be shocked if they try to throw her under the bus as the prescriber - but he was on this interaction well before she got there (Prozac- adderall) so blame yourselves. I do. I blame Oberstarr. He knew what we were fighting and virtually ignored us. He had the oversight. He is responsible for the protocols. Oberstarr is the bad guy in my view. Sheer evil.

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  4. Number one-- I am sick that we fell for it. I am nauseated how they took my behind scenes complaint and tried to turn me into a bad guy for trying to protect him.
    I am disgusted they knew about this combo being a potential problem and after my complaint, everything was designed for exactly my complaint- but they buried the worst one of all.
    Children's lives are on the line. Families are put through hell.
    We got everything fixed with one visit to a new doctor and a 35 dollar copay. But this horrible kiddie mill is making more beds for the next kid.
    I am plenty punishing myself and grieve for not pulling him when we first wanted to and falling for the.. You don't want to disrupt his care and make it worse.....I punish myself for not catching the problem before we followed a family doctor recommendation to go to them. I grieve for not catching this.. Not knowing better.. Following the guise of professionals acting professional and doing their homework under supervision of these mystery wonder docs. But no matter how much I relive this-- they are the ones with licenses.. Not me. They are the ones who were supposed to be well regarded-- instead they are just an out branch of a rundown crap shack in Fargo. And that's an opinion.. But I am sick and I fear for the next kid. No money asses. But you have got to do better. You have got to get humanity back.. No one looks back on their life and says.. Gosh..I wish I would have made more families suffer and protect the cash wad. No one.

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  5. And before my typos get laughed at- or my incomplete sentence fury writing. Todd - it is "in regard," not in "regards."

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  6. Why it's alarming to see a note about this exact problem (and on docs my husband and I saw and don't recall and alarming mention about this and to check it out) of course.. Every mention of his checking in show we were reporting worsening behavior. They reported multiple fits a day vs the occasional episode at school. He was displaying concerning signs.

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  7. From drugs.com
    Adderall XR (amphetamine/dextroamphetamine)
    Prozac (fluoxetine)
    Consumer
    Professional
    Interactions between your selected drugs


    fluoxetine ↔ amphetamine
    Applies to:Prozac (fluoxetine) and Adderall XR (amphetamine/dextroamphetamine)
    GENERALLY AVOID: Several case reports suggest that serotonin reuptake inhibitors may potentiate the pharmacologic response to sympathomimetic agents. The exact mechanism of interaction is unclear. In one case report, a patient experienced jitteriness, racing thoughts, stomach cramps, dry eyes, palpitations, tremors, and restlessness following a single dose of phentermine ingested approximately a week after she had discontinued fluoxetine. Because of the long half-life of fluoxetine and its metabolite, an interaction with fluoxetine is possible. Similar toxic reactions have been reported when fluoxetine was used concomitantly with amphetamine or phenylpropanolamine. Additionally, some sympathomimetic agents such as amphetamines may possess serotonergic activity and should generally not be administered with serotonin reuptake inhibitors because of the additive risk of serotonin syndrome, which is a rare but serious and potentially fatal condition thought to result from hyperstimulation of brainstem 5-HT1A and 2A receptors. The interaction was suspected in a patient treated with dexamphetamine who developed symptoms consistent with the serotonin syndrome approximately 2 weeks after the addition of venlafaxine. The medications were discontinued and the patient was given cyproheptadine for suspected serotonin syndrome, whereupon symptoms promptly resolved. A second episode occurred when dexamphetamine was subsequently resumed and citalopram added. The patient improved following cessation of citalopram on his own, and residual symptoms were successfully treated with cyproheptadine.

    MANAGEMENT: In general, amphetamines and other sympathomimetic appetite suppressants should not be combined with selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) or serotonin-norepinephrine reuptake inhibitors (SNRIs). Close monitoring for enhanced sympathomimetic effects and possible serotonin syndrome is recommended if these agents must be used together. Symptoms of the serotonin syndrome may include mental status changes such as irritability, altered consciousness, confusion, hallucinations, and coma; autonomic dysfunction such as tachycardia, hyperthermia, diaphoresis, shivering, blood pressure lability, and mydriasis; neuromuscular abnormalities such as hyperreflexia, myoclonus, tremor, rigidity, and ataxia; and gastrointestinal symptoms such as abdominal cramping, nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea.

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  8. They loved to dedicate his records to my complaint about a moderate interaction and lack of parental notification (which they didn't feel was important to tell me about) between Prozac to abilify. You smarmy freaks. How funny that mom didn't catch the scarier one huh? It's just kids lives. - the funny thing is.. I saw they had some inception from the dump I grew up by in Fargo. If I would have known that.. Small towns ya know. I am amazed what people do for a paycheck. Keep your money and use it to get help before a kid dies.

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